The 9MM Bolt action rifle.

[Jlwilliams]

Depends on how you define "cheap" and hits harder. Any new cartridge developed is not going to be "cheap" until wide adoption.

9mm is arguably in that camp but effectiveness on various targets at 100yds ranges from meh to OK ... but it's relatively cheap as ammo goes

350 Legend and 357 Magnum would seem like the next step up, 357 being cheaper than 350 but both can be found for less than 60 cents a round.

I could easily be wrong but it seems like a reloading a straight walled cartridge is the best option for controlling costs after the initial expense of brass either loaded or new. Without shopping for components it doesn't seem like it should be hella more expensive or difficult to reload than 9mm.

That's all predicated on reloading. There are a lot of gun owners who don't reload and a lot of silencer owners who would buy another 9mm suppressor host just because.

9mm is probably the most prolific center fire round in the world and more to the point in America. Pretty much every configuration of firearm should be offered in 9mm just like every configuration is available in 22 because it would sell.

As far as being ineffective, I contend that it would kill an armadilllo or a raccoon or anything you might shoot with a 22wmr just fine. A lot of guys smack talk anything that's not a deer cartridge but a lot of American shooters won't ever shoot anything bigger than a fox.

 

[strobro32]

The .45 work starts at post #68, but builds on all the previous .32 S&W Long experiments.

https://nfatalk.org/forum/index.php...ng-the-22-tcm-action.14375/page-4#post-266323

I so want that, especially if it takes Glock 21 mags.

I was wondering if my 300 Solo, strait pull AR pistol could take 45 acp. Maybe use a glock mag lower.

 

[doubloon]

That's all predicated on reloading

Not "all" of it.

I mentioned 9mm not in a reloading context and said basically the same thing as you about it.

As you say, If you want to avoid reloading and still squeak over the "hits harder" bar you could go bolt action 22WMR. But is the juice really worth the squeeze? It "hits harder" but is it hard enough? If all you ever plan to shoot is paper, rodents and slow moving varmint then it might qualify as "hits harder" for you. And is it "cheap" enough at 4X-5X the cost of 22lr?

Those questions and the same observations you made are why I predicated my entire response on "depends on how you define hit's harder and cheap".

Is there an option at 2X the cost of 22LR?

 

[propeine]

I built an integral 9mm bolt gun around a Ruger american in 223 and used a Mean endomag to feed it, it really wants a fixed ejector instead of spring loaded and I haven't quite gotten around to finishing that portion. Otherwise its a neat piece. I think I put up pictures at some point but no idea where I saved them any more.

 

[Stan1]

I built an integral 9mm bolt gun around a Ruger american in 223 and used a Mean endomag to feed it, it really wants a fixed ejector instead of spring loaded and I haven't quite gotten around to finishing that portion. Otherwise its a neat piece. I think I put up pictures at some point but no idea where I saved them any more.

I remember you mentioning it but I can't find it anywhere either. Is it with the Chem Majors thread?

 

[Tyris]

Since the cost of 7.62x39 went up you’re right

7.62 Slav-Squatter only makes sense out of a suppressed bolt gun if its cheap and subsonic because it will never have any accuracy with steel case ammo

 

[Tyris]

I built an integral 9mm bolt gun around a Ruger american in 223 and used a Mean endomag to feed it, it really wants a fixed ejector instead of spring loaded and I haven't quite gotten around to finishing that portion. Otherwise its a neat piece. I think I put up pictures at some point but no idea where I saved them any more.

Since integrals are my thing, we're gonna need pics my bro.
-T

 

[Jlwilliams]

Not "all" of it.

I mentioned 9mm not in a reloading context and said basically the same thing as you about it.

As you say, If you want to avoid reloading and still squeak over the "hits harder" bar you could go bolt action 22WMR. But is the juice really worth the squeeze? It "hits harder" but is it hard enough? If all you ever plan to shoot is paper, rodents and slow moving varmint then it might qualify as "hits harder" for you. And is it "cheap" enough at 4X-5X the cost of 22lr?

Those questions and the same observations you made are why I predicated my entire response on "depends on how you define hit's harder and cheap".

Is there an option at 2X the cost of 22LR?

If there's an option priced between 22 and 9mm I'm unaware of it but that would be nice. 9mm is the next notch up in price.

As much as I like 22wmr it's really about neck and neck with 9mm price wise. Ballistics are different and I'll admit it's arguably better in a bolt action rifle, but I still contend that it makes sense to make a 9mm bolt action even if only because it's such a prolific round.

 

[Ccoffin]

7.62 Slav-Squatter only makes sense out of a suppressed bolt gun if its cheap and subsonic because it will never have any accuracy with steel case ammo

My Bren is pretty respectable with steel, so I always assumed that poor accuracy was based more on the platform than the ammo. Subsonic ammo isn’t cheap to buy, but the roll-your-own guys can probably do it for Blackout prices.

 

[Tyris]

My Bren is pretty respectable with steel, so I always assumed that poor accuracy was based more on the platform than the ammo. Subsonic ammo isn’t cheap to buy, but the roll-your-own guys can probably do it for Blackout prices.

I've always wondered what causes the inaccuracy of AKs. I've had 3 AKs over the years. The 7.62 gun was 5-6 MOA. My Romanian SAR2 was a wee bit better at 3-4 MOA. When I went to have that barrel threaded I recall it being called "sewer pipe" grade.
The best AK I've ever had was the bulgy SLR-104UR krinkov. Its the only one I kept because that fucker could drill 1" groups at 50 yards with me shooting, and I suck with irons. Admittedly that 104UR had its barrel chopped and recrowned. After recrowning it became an incredible shooter. Bad ammo? maybe- lets face it steel case sure as fuck isn't match grade. Bad Barrels, probably - you could visibly see wobble and variance between OD and ID when on the lathe. Those fuckers were no where near concentric but mine certainly improved after a recrown.
-T

 

[towerofpower93]

My Bren is pretty respectable with steel, so I always assumed that poor accuracy was based more on the platform than the ammo. Subsonic ammo isn’t cheap to buy, but the roll-your-own guys can probably do it for Blackout prices.

I'll agree ref steel cased ammo being more accurate once it's in a not-AK. I picked up a used Gen 2 KS47 last year and the 123gr Wolf Military Classic that would do the usual 3-4" groups in all of my AKs was hovering around 1.75" for 5 shot groups using an ACOG and a bipod. Putting the 7.62x39mm round in the more accurate AR operating system seemed to do wonders to my accuracy at range. Thinking about using it at the next day time 2-gun match with steel out to 250yds to see how it does on the clock.

 

[propeine]

Since integrals are my thing, we're gonna need pics my bro.
-T

FIIIIINNEEEE. There is a disassembled shot in the gallery below too.
Ruger American in 223 to start. Boyd's stock with AR mag bottom metal, 17-4 gun drilled and then milled for the monocore. Welded to a SS barrel so its one stamp. Internally threaded at the muzzle end for the tube retainer. Mean endomag to finish it off because I haven't given enough shits to make a magwell adapter or new bottom metal.

https://imgur.com/a/WO9cCoi

 

[Tyris]

FIIIIINNEEEE. There is a disassembled shot in the gallery below too.
Ruger American in 223 to start. Boyd's stock with AR mag bottom metal, 17-4 gun drilled and then milled for the monocore. Welded to a SS barrel so its one stamp. Internally threaded at the muzzle end for the tube retainer. Mean endomag to finish it off because I haven't given enough shits to make a magwell adapter or new bottom metal.

https://imgur.com/a/WO9cCoi

very nice!

 

[Historian]

300 Solo wins admiration for innovation and execution. So happy
to have randomly found this.

With a can an addition to consider would be to take a rifle forearm,
embed a few nyodimium magnets and attach under can.

Works so well under a 16" barrel on 1911A1 with shoulder stock .... not an SBR 😊

E.g., << https://www.ebay.com/itm/2354941656...UQz+6OqX2JDNVhUqYf5IsjiA==|tkp:Bk9SR6Dtm6fRYw >>

 

[areekalaan]

I'll agree ref steel cased ammo being more accurate once it's in a not-AK. I picked up a used Gen 2 KS47 last year and the 123gr Wolf Military Classic that would do the usual 3-4" groups in all of my AKs was hovering around 1.75" for 5 shot groups using an ACOG and a bipod. Putting the 7.62x39mm round in the more accurate AR operating system seemed to do wonders to my accuracy at range. Thinking about using it at the next day time 2-gun match with steel out to 250yds to see how it does on the clock.

I just got back from the range checking zero on one of my XDMs after swapping thread protectors. Didn't shoot for groups but hit 21 out of 22 on a half size silhouette at 100 yards with Tulammo 9mm. Pretty sure that miss was me, not the ammo.

I have noticed vertical stringing with tulammo 308. The groups tend to be twice as tall at they are wide at 100. By 300 yards the same point of aim will sometimes hit center and other times fall short and miss the steel plate. This is with a 16" suppressed bolt action.

 

[strobro32]

300 Solo wins admiration for innovation and execution. So happy
to have randomly found this.

I was talking with Elijah from Solo and Rudy from Macon Armory about a 45 version. Elijah said he does not know about the 45 but he tested 9mm. It was not promising. Rudy gave me a lot of suggestions on different mfgers uppers, barrels, and lowers. He thinks he can make it work with G21 mags. He wants me to email him on the project.

 

[Ccoffin]

I was talking with Elijah from Solo and Rudy from Macon Armory about a 45 version. Elijah said he does not know about the 45 but he tested 9mm. It was not promising. Rudy gave me a lot of suggestions on different mfgers uppers, barrels, and lowers. He thinks he can make it work with G21 mags. He wants me to email him on the project.

Rudy makes excellent uppers and knows his stuff

 

[Ccoffin]

I just got back from the range checking zero on one of my XDMs after swapping thread protectors. Didn't shoot for groups but hit 21 out of 22 on a half size silhouette at 100 yards with Tulammo 9mm. Pretty sure that miss was me, not the ammo.

I have noticed vertical stringing with tulammo 308. The groups tend to be twice as tall at they are wide at 100. By 300 yards the same point of aim will sometimes hit center and other times fall short and miss the steel plate. This is with a 16" suppressed bolt action.

Are you sure it’s the ammo? Vertical stringing is usually from barrels heating up, especially thin ones.

 

[areekalaan]

Are you sure it’s the ammo? Vertical stringing is usually from barrels heating up, especially thin ones.

Pretty sure it's a velocity issue with the ammo. Don't have a chronograph but other types of ammo from cheap fmj to hunting loads show much less variation.

I will say I've been shooting the 308 tulammo for a couple years but it's all from the same bulk pack. Hadn't considered a bad lot.

 

[Ccoffin]

Pretty sure it's a velocity issue with the ammo. Don't have a chronograph but other types of ammo from cheap fmj to hunting loads show much less variation.

I will say I've been shooting the 308 tulammo for a couple years but it's all from the same bulk pack. Hadn't considered a bad lot.

With enough variation in velocity that’s possible, you’re right. Horrendous quality control if that’s the case.