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Old 11-18-2014, 11:47 AM   #21
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right, exactly. so really it's a 8.6" can that adds 8.1" to the end of the barrel (considering 1/2" of thread), not 6".
If you look at the Griffin web site, they list the same specs, including length and length added, as the taper mount. Looks like a copy/paste error.

I can see the taper mount being 2+ inches long and they calculate the length added from the end of the mount, not the muzzle. However, I can't see that little thread insert being more than 1.5" or so long and since it stays in the silencer, the length added would be (as you suggest) more like 8".
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Old 11-18-2014, 11:58 AM   #22
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So i'm not nuts. fantastic. I'm glad to hear it.

I think i'll buy one.

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Old 11-18-2014, 03:32 PM   #23
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Discounts on the Sportsman for old school checkmate owners/new baffle beta testers?

Im pretty much sold on the taper mount version.
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:44 PM   #24
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**AXE'd**

actually now that i'm looking at the taper mount VERSION on the website, it looks quite a bit different than the Direct Thread version.

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The mounting interfaces are different. System weight with the brake mount is heavier aka brake+ can. The taper mount imo is better. I like the interface functionality. The taper mount sportsman has shown 1/8moa repeatable 1/8 moa shift on our mtu contour 6.5 creedmore. Its a great can for a precision bolt gun. They do cool fast but operating temp is under 350 optimal. That means 20 rounds rapid followed by three rounds a minute.

The use parameter wont matter to hunters and precision bolt gunners but people who want to use cans on ars recreationally will be better served with the 8 ounce heavier 17-4 phs cans which raise regular operating temp to 900f allowing higher volume fire. It takes about 60-80 rds of 308 at rapid rof to hit 900f.
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Old 12-05-2014, 12:32 AM   #26
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Are you displaying at SHOT this year?
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Old 12-07-2014, 06:08 AM   #27
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Are you displaying at SHOT this year?
Yes- we're working 60-80 hours a week into SHOT as we try to get our ducks in a row. Things have been staying busy here with all the new product launches and production.
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great, looking forward to seeing your stuff in person. How can we find you - are you all going to be listed on the SHOT vendor map or are you sharing a spot with another exhibitor?
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great, looking forward to seeing your stuff in person. How can we find you - are you all going to be listed on the SHOT vendor map or are you sharing a spot with another exhibitor?
If you search Griffin Armament on the Shot show website you would find us in booth 31306 We're next to Blue Force gear, across the aisle from London Bridge Trading Company, and kitty corner for YHM.
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VERY interested in one of these sportsman cans...still not totally sure on taper vs 'direct thread'. How "bad" is the POI shift with the DT? The can will see use on 16-18" bolt rifles (Savage Scout/Ruger American/Remington Model 7) and occasional use on an AR for varmint hunting. I'd prefer to not have to check zero every time I swap it out...if at all possible.

Follow up question: is there a Sportsman 'Varmint' in the works for .22 caliber centerfires? It would be really nice to have a 10oz can for a .22-250 or bolt action .223...

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Old 12-11-2014, 05:06 AM   #31
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VERY interested in one of these sportsman cans...still not totally sure on taper vs 'direct thread'. How "bad" is the POI shift with the DT? The can will see use on 16-18" bolt rifles (Savage Scout/Ruger American/Remington Model 7) and occasional use on an AR for varmint hunting. I'd prefer to not have to check zero every time I swap it out...if at all possible.

Follow up question: is there a Sportsman 'Varmint' in the works for .22 caliber centerfires? It would be really nice to have a 10oz can for a .22-250 or bolt action .223...

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We haven't done POI shift tests with the direct thread cans. The taper mount cans have 1/8MOA shift, 1/8MOA repeatable on MTU contour barrels. Granted most hunting guns have lighter barrels than that. So really it depends on how light and long the barrels are. Shift can be as bad as about 3MOA on a mountain weight bolt gun with 26" barrel.

Look at the modern pawn videos on youtube, they had a prototype taper mount sportsman for T&E and ran it through the paces on multiple rifles testing POI shift.
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We haven't done POI shift tests with the direct thread cans. The taper mount cans have 1/8MOA shift, 1/8MOA repeatable on MTU contour barrels. Granted most hunting guns have lighter barrels than that. So really it depends on how light and long the barrels are. Shift can be as bad as about 3MOA on a mountain weight bolt gun with 26" barrel.

Look at the modern pawn videos on youtube, they had a prototype taper mount sportsman for T&E and ran it through the paces on multiple rifles testing POI shift.
I'm not as concerned about shift as I am about repeatable shift. What can you tell us about that?
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I'm not as concerned about shift as I am about repeatable shift. What can you tell us about that?
Like I said- the MTU 6.5 creedmore is 1/8MOA shift, with 1/8MOA repeatability. We tested multiple cans. Evan shot a rapid bolt manipulation dot drill with his unsuppressed zero, using a sportsman taper mount at a course this summer and put 10 out of 10 rounds in 1" dots at 100 yards in about 20 seconds using a elite iron suppressor cover to cut mirage.
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I won't be shooting anything magnum; I prefer light and handy bolt guns. Specifically, 'Scout' style rifles. So a 16-18" medium-light contour barrel chambered in .308-ish rounds is the niche I'm looking for. I'll have to check out the modern pawn videos, I guess.

Any response on the lightweight .22 centerfire can question?

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Like I said- the MTU 6.5 creedmore is 1/8MOA shift, with 1/8MOA repeatability. We tested multiple cans. Evan shot a rapid bolt manipulation dot drill with his unsuppressed zero, using a sportsman taper mount at a course this summer and put 10 out of 10 rounds in 1" dots at 100 yards in about 20 seconds using a elite iron suppressor cover to cut mirage.
right right, taper. I just wonder about DT in general.
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I won't be shooting anything magnum; I prefer light and handy bolt guns. Specifically, 'Scout' style rifles. So a 16-18" medium-light contour barrel chambered in .308-ish rounds is the niche I'm looking for. I'll have to check out the modern pawn videos, I guess.

Any response on the lightweight .22 centerfire can question?

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Our Recce 5 is 14.5 ounces and does 35DB suppression. The PHS 556 is 16 and does 36DB.

We thought about a sportsman 22 but decided that it would probably glut our 5.56mm lines and further confuse customers trying to figure out what suppressor to buy. The other issue is that it's a rare customer who doesn't want to shoot his Ar15 with his 22 caliber centerfire can, and the Ar15 market is a higher rate of fire market where the sportsman is not as optimal for use.

With the 14.5 ounce Recce 5 a customer can dump 3 30 round mags without an issue. We also have a thread mount Spartan 3 which is 12.5 ounces and is another light 5.56mm option that doesn't have the rate of fire limitations of the sportsman cans.
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right right, taper. I just wonder about DT in general.
When the thread mount unit is tight, it should perform identical to that. When it shoots loose as thread mounts can, it probably wouldn't perform in that ballpark. We made the thread mount version because there are thread mount customers out there, especially in the sporting/hunting market, but as shooters we feel that muzzle adaptors are more advantageous for suppressor interfacing as they have mechanisms designed to stay tight.
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Our Recce 5 is 14.5 ounces and does 35DB suppression. The PHS 556 is 16 and does 36DB.

We thought about a sportsman 22 but decided that it would probably glut our 5.56mm lines and further confuse customers trying to figure out what suppressor to buy. The other issue is that it's a rare customer who doesn't want to shoot his Ar15 with his 22 caliber centerfire can, and the Ar15 market is a higher rate of fire market where the sportsman is not as optimal for use.

With the 14.5 ounce Recce 5 a customer can dump 3 30 round mags without an issue. We also have a thread mount Spartan 3 which is 12.5 ounces and is another light 5.56mm option that doesn't have the rate of fire limitations of the sportsman cans.
Right on. I can understand that. I'll probably just get a 5.56 Taper Mount Flash Comp for my SR-556E and switch the Sportsman back and forth between my Scout Rifle and it for now.

Thanks for the response...now if someone just had them in stock...

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You guys have any stocking dealers in Georgia? I'd really like to put my hands on a Revolution 9 w/ a 3 lug mount.
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Just ordered the DT.
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